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	<title>Comments on: Caspio&#8217;s Lessons</title>
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		<title>By: Benj.</title>
		<link>http://blog.thescoop.org/archives/2008/06/29/caspios-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-128442</link>
		<dc:creator>Benj.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NYT document viewer looks great. I hadn&#039;t seen that yet.</description>
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		<title>By: palewire / Permalinks, low-rent data viz and other stupid Caspio tricks.</title>
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		<dc:creator>palewire / Permalinks, low-rent data viz and other stupid Caspio tricks.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] smarter people have invested a goodly amount of space to explaining Caspio&#8217;s deficiencies, so [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Aron Pilhofer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aron Pilhofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Ryan. This stuff isn&#039;t rocket science. It does take an investment, but the payoff is worth it. 

Recent examples: 

- This http://www.nytimes.com/projects/nyctestscores/ was a day of development from scratch: Me, Rob from the CAR team, and Matt Ericson did an hour or two of front-end touchup. It&#039;s ugly, and kinda not the greatest, but it&#039;s certainly comparable to anything you get out of the box with Caspio. 
We are in the process of making a Rails plugin out of this that will allow you to point to a database table, and generate the framework of a search/master/details site. (And not have your data invisible to Google...)

- We&#039;ve turned our Clinton documents site (http://politics.nytimes.com/clinton-schedules) into a Rails plugin. To generate something like this (http://www.nytimes.com/cityroom/documents/koranteng) from a pdf takes a few minutes. Next version will be completely SEO friendly and will include inline, page-level annotation, kind of similar to the way the Django book does comments.

- This (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/06/02/nyregion/GRAPHIC_CRANE_VIOLATIONS.html) is a really super-simple Google map we threw together on deadline after the crane collapse. Again, not the most compelling thing in the world, but we&#039;re almost done converting this into a basic Rails plugin that will allow you to generate a much better version of this in minutes.

All of these plugins took some initial work, but will give us infinitely more freedom and flexibility than Caspio ever will. And, I won&#039;t be locked into their proprietary software.

For what it&#039;s worth, we&#039;re considering very seriously releasing the document viewer and possibly the other two as open source software, for non-commercial use (sorry, caspio!) if people think they would use them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Ryan. This stuff isn&#8217;t rocket science. It does take an investment, but the payoff is worth it. </p>
<p>Recent examples: </p>
<p>- This <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/projects/nyctestscores/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/projects/nyctestscores/</a> was a day of development from scratch: Me, Rob from the CAR team, and Matt Ericson did an hour or two of front-end touchup. It&#8217;s ugly, and kinda not the greatest, but it&#8217;s certainly comparable to anything you get out of the box with Caspio.<br />
We are in the process of making a Rails plugin out of this that will allow you to point to a database table, and generate the framework of a search/master/details site. (And not have your data invisible to Google&#8230;)</p>
<p>- We&#8217;ve turned our Clinton documents site (<a href="http://politics.nytimes.com/clinton-schedules" rel="nofollow">http://politics.nytimes.com/clinton-schedules</a>) into a Rails plugin. To generate something like this (<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/cityroom/documents/koranteng" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/cityroom/documents/koranteng</a>) from a pdf takes a few minutes. Next version will be completely SEO friendly and will include inline, page-level annotation, kind of similar to the way the Django book does comments.</p>
<p>- This (<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/06/02/nyregion/GRAPHIC_CRANE_VIOLATIONS.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/06/02/nyregion/GRAPHIC_CRANE_VIOLATIONS.html</a>) is a really super-simple Google map we threw together on deadline after the crane collapse. Again, not the most compelling thing in the world, but we&#8217;re almost done converting this into a basic Rails plugin that will allow you to generate a much better version of this in minutes.</p>
<p>All of these plugins took some initial work, but will give us infinitely more freedom and flexibility than Caspio ever will. And, I won&#8217;t be locked into their proprietary software.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, we&#8217;re considering very seriously releasing the document viewer and possibly the other two as open source software, for non-commercial use (sorry, caspio!) if people think they would use them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan McNeill</title>
		<link>http://blog.thescoop.org/archives/2008/06/29/caspios-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-128414</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh wee, it might get ugly in here if Milliron catches wind of this posting. *pops popcorn*

Wynn hits the nail on the head with his thought that &quot;organizations aren&#039;t even considering what they want out of Caspio when they sign up.&quot; 

I haven&#039;t been to one, but I imagine Caspio&#039;s sessions at IRE and NICAR are slick. I guess a couple of our folks went to them and came back all psyched about using Caspio. 

Which brings to my point about Caspio: It&#039;s a great tool for getting simple data online quickly. It&#039;s especially great for taking the load off programmers/designers/car people/whatever, especially if you&#039;re looking to get cheap clicks. 

But the idea that Caspio doesn&#039;t require programming just isn&#039;t true. If you want to do anything beyond what comes out of the box, you gotta use programming to adapt it...whether it&#039;s JS for mapping or whatever. 

Why not take the time it would take you to learn Caspio&#039;s ins and outs and learn Django/Ruby on Rails?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh wee, it might get ugly in here if Milliron catches wind of this posting. *pops popcorn*</p>
<p>Wynn hits the nail on the head with his thought that &#8220;organizations aren&#8217;t even considering what they want out of Caspio when they sign up.&#8221; </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been to one, but I imagine Caspio&#8217;s sessions at IRE and NICAR are slick. I guess a couple of our folks went to them and came back all psyched about using Caspio. </p>
<p>Which brings to my point about Caspio: It&#8217;s a great tool for getting simple data online quickly. It&#8217;s especially great for taking the load off programmers/designers/car people/whatever, especially if you&#8217;re looking to get cheap clicks. </p>
<p>But the idea that Caspio doesn&#8217;t require programming just isn&#8217;t true. If you want to do anything beyond what comes out of the box, you gotta use programming to adapt it&#8230;whether it&#8217;s JS for mapping or whatever. </p>
<p>Why not take the time it would take you to learn Caspio&#8217;s ins and outs and learn Django/Ruby on Rails?</p>
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		<title>By: Wynn</title>
		<link>http://blog.thescoop.org/archives/2008/06/29/caspios-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-128413</link>
		<dc:creator>Wynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...adding Caspio experience to your resume...&quot; Frightening that this has become an acceptable -- if not desired -- skillset, isn&#039;t it?

At $8/mo./datapage, there are other options available. I think organizations aren&#039;t even considering what they want out of Caspio when they sign up. And that&#039;s causing them to overlook other better, cheaper solutions.

Having ten datasets up will cost around $1000 every year. If all a news org needs is a search box/results container, that money could be funneled toward an Elancer who could build a tool to do just that. If you want to throw in maps, add it to the job description -- it&#039;s definitely doable.

If you want to try pushing Caspio to the limits, then you have to be willing to hack around, anyway. Use the cash investment to send a curious staffer to a PHP class at a community college, or shoot them off to the Django classes at IRE/NICAR. 

I guess what bothers me most about Caspio is that its business plan is preying on a short-sighted systemic mistake  endemic at newspapers. It&#039;s ludicrous that money -- which could go towards actual journalism -- has to be diverted to build a workaround over a purely internal problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;adding Caspio experience to your resume&#8230;&#8221; Frightening that this has become an acceptable &#8212; if not desired &#8212; skillset, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>At $8/mo./datapage, there are other options available. I think organizations aren&#8217;t even considering what they want out of Caspio when they sign up. And that&#8217;s causing them to overlook other better, cheaper solutions.</p>
<p>Having ten datasets up will cost around $1000 every year. If all a news org needs is a search box/results container, that money could be funneled toward an Elancer who could build a tool to do just that. If you want to throw in maps, add it to the job description &#8212; it&#8217;s definitely doable.</p>
<p>If you want to try pushing Caspio to the limits, then you have to be willing to hack around, anyway. Use the cash investment to send a curious staffer to a PHP class at a community college, or shoot them off to the Django classes at IRE/NICAR. </p>
<p>I guess what bothers me most about Caspio is that its business plan is preying on a short-sighted systemic mistake  endemic at newspapers. It&#8217;s ludicrous that money &#8212; which could go towards actual journalism &#8212; has to be diverted to build a workaround over a purely internal problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Waite</title>
		<link>http://blog.thescoop.org/archives/2008/06/29/caspios-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-128408</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Waite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dismissive, vaguely angry, off-point comment from Milliron in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...</description>
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