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	<title>Comments on: Six Reasons To Look Past Caspio</title>
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	<description>Derek Willis' weblog on investigative and computer-assisted reporting.</description>
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		<title>By: First step in bringing change: find the believers&#160;&#124;&#160;</title>
		<link>http://blog.thescoop.org/archives/2008/08/18/six-reasons-to-look-past-caspio/comment-page-1/#comment-133114</link>
		<dc:creator>First step in bringing change: find the believers&#160;&#124;&#160;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are using Caspio to create and host data apps, sans programming. I am not a fan, for reasons Derek Willis sums up much better than I could, but if you have no other options, it&#8217;s better than sitting on your [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are using Caspio to create and host data apps, sans programming. I am not a fan, for reasons Derek Willis sums up much better than I could, but if you have no other options, it&#8217;s better than sitting on your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kelso&#8217;s Corner &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Building the Data Desk: Lessons From the L.A. Times (Knight Digital Media Center)</title>
		<link>http://blog.thescoop.org/archives/2008/08/18/six-reasons-to-look-past-caspio/comment-page-1/#comment-132612</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelso&#8217;s Corner &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Building the Data Desk: Lessons From the L.A. Times (Knight Digital Media Center)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are using Caspio to create and host data apps, sans programming. I am not a fan, for reasons Derek Willis sums up much better than I could, but if you have no other options, it&#8217;s better than sitting on your [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are using Caspio to create and host data apps, sans programming. I am not a fan, for reasons Derek Willis sums up much better than I could, but if you have no other options, it&#8217;s better than sitting on your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scot Hacker</title>
		<link>http://blog.thescoop.org/archives/2008/08/18/six-reasons-to-look-past-caspio/comment-page-1/#comment-128913</link>
		<dc:creator>Scot Hacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my mind, this problem of whether to outsource your database is similar to the current temptation to let external Web 2.0 organizations handle other parts of your IT infrastructure. Good image hosting too hard? Use Flickr! Good video hosting too expensive? Use YouTube! Building a social network too hard? Use Ning! Then you turn around and realize your content and IT is in the hands of half a dozen external firms, subject to changes in their terms of service, their censorship policies, or (worst case) them going out of business. 

See &lt;a href=&quot;http://multimedia.journalism.berkeley.edu/blog/2008/jul/10/giving-away-farm/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Giving Away the Farm&lt;/a&gt;, on this  &quot;Web 2.0 as sharecropping&quot; trend.

External tools have their place, but I&#039;d be reluctant to put my publication&#039;s eggs in that basket. Publications embracing doesn&#039;t mean you don&#039;t have to invest in it / master it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my mind, this problem of whether to outsource your database is similar to the current temptation to let external Web 2.0 organizations handle other parts of your IT infrastructure. Good image hosting too hard? Use Flickr! Good video hosting too expensive? Use YouTube! Building a social network too hard? Use Ning! Then you turn around and realize your content and IT is in the hands of half a dozen external firms, subject to changes in their terms of service, their censorship policies, or (worst case) them going out of business. </p>
<p>See <a href="http://multimedia.journalism.berkeley.edu/blog/2008/jul/10/giving-away-farm/" rel="nofollow">Giving Away the Farm</a>, on this  &#8220;Web 2.0 as sharecropping&#8221; trend.</p>
<p>External tools have their place, but I&#8217;d be reluctant to put my publication&#8217;s eggs in that basket. Publications embracing doesn&#8217;t mean you don&#8217;t have to invest in it / master it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan D. Gutierrez</title>
		<link>http://blog.thescoop.org/archives/2008/08/18/six-reasons-to-look-past-caspio/comment-page-1/#comment-128883</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan D. Gutierrez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By Dan D. Gutierrez
CEO of HostedDatabase.com

This blog entry is very interesting to me. When my firm launched the web&#039;s first Database-as-a-Service offering in 1999 (before Caspio), we did tout our service as something that would let a company avoid programming. But that was only part of the story. For small businesses that needed a web database on the cheap, they would generally just forget about the need if they need to spend bucks on a developer. But they&#039;d use our service instead. Now after a while, many of our customers out grew our service and eventually did build a custom web app. That&#039;s fine to us, we just provided an alternative in the early going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Dan D. Gutierrez<br />
CEO of HostedDatabase.com</p>
<p>This blog entry is very interesting to me. When my firm launched the web&#8217;s first Database-as-a-Service offering in 1999 (before Caspio), we did tout our service as something that would let a company avoid programming. But that was only part of the story. For small businesses that needed a web database on the cheap, they would generally just forget about the need if they need to spend bucks on a developer. But they&#8217;d use our service instead. Now after a while, many of our customers out grew our service and eventually did build a custom web app. That&#8217;s fine to us, we just provided an alternative in the early going.</p>
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		<title>By: The AllYourtv.com Local News Blog &#187; Six Reasons To Look Past Caspio</title>
		<link>http://blog.thescoop.org/archives/2008/08/18/six-reasons-to-look-past-caspio/comment-page-1/#comment-128870</link>
		<dc:creator>The AllYourtv.com Local News Blog &#187; Six Reasons To Look Past Caspio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]      Granted, this post only makes sense if your organization is using Caspio (or planning to). But this post from the blog &#8220;The Scoop&#8221; is pretty damn funny is you&#8217;re familiar with the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]      Granted, this post only makes sense if your organization is using Caspio (or planning to). But this post from the blog &#8220;The Scoop&#8221; is pretty damn funny is you&#8217;re familiar with the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Lilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Lilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel as if I need to defend my point. 

The web merely lowers the barrier to entry for people to get into online publishing. It doesn&#039;t, however, lower the standards we as a community have. That&#039;s why you have sites like http://havenworks.com put out by people who are &quot;technologically enabled&quot;. http://portfolio.com , on the other hand, is put out by someone with chops. Someone who knows what they&#039;re doing. 

If you slight the amount of work and knowledge involved in putting out a good product with phrases such as &quot;No more programming for custom web applications&quot;, you&#039;re going to end up with a communist—&quot;everyone gets the same thing&quot;—style future. 

Do you think http://everyblock.com would run on caspio? No! It takes knowledgeable people putting in actual effort to create something interesting.

But don&#039;t take my word for it: http://www.jacobian.org/writing/2007/sep/12/db-journalism/

Caspio is to developers as Blogger.com is to journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel as if I need to defend my point. </p>
<p>The web merely lowers the barrier to entry for people to get into online publishing. It doesn&#8217;t, however, lower the standards we as a community have. That&#8217;s why you have sites like <a href="http://havenworks.com" rel="nofollow">http://havenworks.com</a> put out by people who are &#8220;technologically enabled&#8221;. <a href="http://portfolio.com" rel="nofollow">http://portfolio.com</a> , on the other hand, is put out by someone with chops. Someone who knows what they&#8217;re doing. </p>
<p>If you slight the amount of work and knowledge involved in putting out a good product with phrases such as &#8220;No more programming for custom web applications&#8221;, you&#8217;re going to end up with a communist—&#8221;everyone gets the same thing&#8221;—style future. </p>
<p>Do you think <a href="http://everyblock.com" rel="nofollow">http://everyblock.com</a> would run on caspio? No! It takes knowledgeable people putting in actual effort to create something interesting.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t take my word for it: <a href="http://www.jacobian.org/writing/2007/sep/12/db-journalism/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jacobian.org/writing/2007/sep/12/db-journalism/</a></p>
<p>Caspio is to developers as Blogger.com is to journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you just made Justin&#039;s point for him, &quot;editor.&quot; You wanna explain how open-source displaces programmers, or was that the extent of your insight on the subject?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you just made Justin&#8217;s point for him, &#8220;editor.&#8221; You wanna explain how open-source displaces programmers, or was that the extent of your insight on the subject?</p>
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		<title>By: An editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>An editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this! Programmers are afraid of an enabling technology. This is hilarious. 
The web gave everyone a tool to put printers/publisher out of work. Caspio has created a tool/service to put low-level programmers out of work.
If you want to unseat them, re-invent their technology, I dare you.
Of course, if you did put the time into such a project, especially open-source, you would still be displacing your brother progrmmers, so I doubt anyone will pick up that gauntlet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this! Programmers are afraid of an enabling technology. This is hilarious.<br />
The web gave everyone a tool to put printers/publisher out of work. Caspio has created a tool/service to put low-level programmers out of work.<br />
If you want to unseat them, re-invent their technology, I dare you.<br />
Of course, if you did put the time into such a project, especially open-source, you would still be displacing your brother progrmmers, so I doubt anyone will pick up that gauntlet.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting question. On one hand, I think that Django and Rails could do better showing exactly how quick it is to set up a browsable app via generic views or databrowse in Django or just the conventional routing in Rails. But the gap won&#039;t be completely filled, imho, until there&#039;s a search functionality for those frameworks that&#039;s a defacto standard. Sounds simple, but it&#039;s not, and it&#039;s one place where standardizing on a single db platform as Caspio does helps simplify things a bit.

When a third-party or contributed search app for Django becomes a near-standard (I doubt just one will make it into trunk), then that might go a long way towards making that gap smaller.

Developers could also create site/platform-specific search apps that take, say, a CSV file and create a search app from it. That&#039;s being done today; it&#039;s just that it usually requires a few commands rather than point-and-click.

As Justin says above, to make this almost *too* easy can lead to 1,001 nearly identical data apps, which isn&#039;t really   an ideal situation. But there are a few steps that could narrow that space a bit, if not close it completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting question. On one hand, I think that Django and Rails could do better showing exactly how quick it is to set up a browsable app via generic views or databrowse in Django or just the conventional routing in Rails. But the gap won&#8217;t be completely filled, imho, until there&#8217;s a search functionality for those frameworks that&#8217;s a defacto standard. Sounds simple, but it&#8217;s not, and it&#8217;s one place where standardizing on a single db platform as Caspio does helps simplify things a bit.</p>
<p>When a third-party or contributed search app for Django becomes a near-standard (I doubt just one will make it into trunk), then that might go a long way towards making that gap smaller.</p>
<p>Developers could also create site/platform-specific search apps that take, say, a CSV file and create a search app from it. That&#8217;s being done today; it&#8217;s just that it usually requires a few commands rather than point-and-click.</p>
<p>As Justin says above, to make this almost *too* easy can lead to 1,001 nearly identical data apps, which isn&#8217;t really   an ideal situation. But there are a few steps that could narrow that space a bit, if not close it completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Benj.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benj.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek,

I recently had a conversation with a newsy web editor who said something along the lines of &quot;somebody needs to make an open source, fuller-featured caspio that doesn&#039;t drive people crazy.&quot;

What&#039;s your answer to something like that? What kind of &quot;space,&quot; for lack of a better word, do you see between Caspio&#039;s browser based GUI approach and the supposedly daunting Dive Into Django?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek,</p>
<p>I recently had a conversation with a newsy web editor who said something along the lines of &#8220;somebody needs to make an open source, fuller-featured caspio that doesn&#8217;t drive people crazy.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your answer to something like that? What kind of &#8220;space,&#8221; for lack of a better word, do you see between Caspio&#8217;s browser based GUI approach and the supposedly daunting Dive Into Django?</p>
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